Michelle Obama spoke candidly about experiencing racism as a Black woman in America, both in and out of the White House, on the latest episode of
The Michelle Obama Podcast. On the episode, she also spoke with her longtime pals—Kelly Dibble, Denielle Pemberton-Heard, and Dr. Sharon Malone—about the power of their friendships.
When the recent incident involving a white woman calling 911 on a Black bird watcher in New York City's Central Park came up, the discussion turned to racism. "That incident in Central Park, which infuriated all of us, as we watched it, it was not unfamiliar," Obama said. "I mean, this is what the white community doesn't understand about being a person of color in this nation, is that there are daily slights. In our workplaces, where people talk over you, or people don't even see you."
Obama said that even from her eight years as First Lady of the United States, she had "a number of stories" of white people treating her as invisible. "When I've been completely incognito during the eight years in the White House, walking the dogs on the canal, people will come up and pet my dogs, but will not look me in the eye. They don't know it's me," she recalled, later adding, "That is so telling of how white America views people who are not like them, like we don't exist. And when we do exist, we exist as a threat. And that's exhausting."
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